In this photography contest your goal is to enter shots of a tool and the trade it is being used on. It must be on the job! For example, you could photograph a hammer in use by a carpenter, a mason's trowel being used to spread mud on a wall by a brick layer, a mechanic using a wrench on an engine or even a technical support operator with his headset. A tool must be the focus and it has to be obvious that it's being used on the job it was designed for, or it is off theme. Have fun and good luck!
ziggyx2003: clarification please, is this meant to show a tradesman/craftsman/whatever actually practising their trade or are studio shots permitted. ( 5 years and 3397 days ago )
jawshoewhah: I never said it couldn't be staged but it should look like an actual occupation. A few of tghese look more like hobbies, rather than a trade of sorts. I did give examples. ( 5 years and 3397 days ago )
ziggyx2003: Well hopefully a Mod will define the rules for us. ( 5 years and 3397 days ago )
ziggyx2003: Can we get a rewrite on the description so everyone knows the tradesman practising is no longer required. ( 5 years and 3397 days ago )
gigi: Many questions/concerns have arisen in this contest...from a bigger view, it raises interesting questions: Aren't hands tools? Can't a hobby be a trade? Just interesting to me how we all have different pespectives of the same situation...Not meant to start any arguments. ( 5 years and 3397 days ago )
kyricom: NO! A "hand" is not a tool. Come on, people... didn't you cover this in junior high? Using tools is what seperates humans from lower form animals (although now they've found a few animals that use tools too). They are things USED by humans, not part of the human. First def in Am. Heritage dictionary - "Any hand held implement, as a hammer, saw, or drill, used to accomplish work." Second def - A machine, such as a lathe, used to cut and shape mechanical parts or other objects." AND, once again... the suggestor is just that, the person who SUGGESTED it. They have no authority whatsoever to say what the theme does or doesn't do. That's what the mods do. ( 5 years and 3397 days ago )
jawshoewhah: That's true but the Mods will sometimes go by the suggester's opinion whether or not something is on theme or not. My opinion is if it looks like a professional occupation and there is a tool being used, even if it's a secretary's pen, it's on theme but kids are not a good choice, because they're kids. They are just playing when working, Unless it's a sweatshop in Malaysia ( 5 years and 3397 days ago )
jawshoewhah: I do agree though hands are not tools. ( 5 years and 3397 days ago )
kyricom: A pen would absolutely be a tool. Be very hard to write with just your fingers. ( 5 years and 3396 days ago )
gigi: I thought what separated us from animals was our ability to accessorize. ( 5 years and 3396 days ago )
locksmagic: Kyricom, since we're busting out dictionaries again, here is one definition of tools according to dictionary.com "anything used as a means of accomplishing a task or purpose: Education is a tool for success." Notice the word ANYTHING ( 5 years and 3396 days ago )
kyricom: *snicker* dictionary.com *chortle* I'm sure the anthropologists will take note ( 5 years and 3396 days ago )
locksmagic: Samuel Johnson (the famous lexicographer) said "Dictionaries are like watches; the worst is better than none, and the best cannot be expected to be quite true" I'd say a hand can represent a tool just as easially as a chain can represent a hanging seat ( 5 years and 3396 days ago )
kyricom: Sorry, Locksmagic... that's what would technically be called a "False Analogy" Informal Logical fallacy. The chain was part of the seat, but a hand is not part of a tool. I am a fan of Samuel Johnson, though. That's why we should probably not go by dictionaries at all (although if I were, I would go with the Oxford English Dictionary, the final word on the evolution of the English language, which happens to agree with me) and go with experts in the field, in this case anthropology. They also agree that hands are not tools. If that were the case, every animal on the planet with hand-like appendages would be said to use tools. But that's just not the case. A tool is an object, modified from it's original form, to make a human task easier. ( 5 years and 3394 days ago )
locksmagic: Kyricom....ahem (wait for it)...... (debate in it's highest form) ( 5 years and 3394 days ago )
kyricom: Oh yeah!? Then... ( 5 years and 3394 days ago )
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Thank you for your comments, everyone! cabldawg71, I did not set a timer for this. It was taken in my father's garage with dim lighting (but not too dim). I set my exposure for 1/200 and my aperture at about f 5.2. I did in fact wear a facemask and I basically just set my camera for continuous shooting and held the button down while the welder did his thing. After adjusting the contrast a bit in lightroom and cropping it down I was left with the image above. Hope this helps!
I love the multiple reflections of the light source on the baloons on the left. Nice shot and as Ray said, beautifully done.
jawshoewhah [banned] says:
It would have been a nicer shot if would could have seen more of the person twisting the balloon animals but this is still very unique and original so good luck!
This is a nice shot... but it isn't really of a "tool"
author says:
To kryicom: I am a professional balloon twister. I'm not sure how the balloons I use could be considered anything BUT a tool.
Moderator says:
if this is what a balloon twister uses for their trade, then it is a tool of the trade.........shot on topic!
jawshoewhah [banned] says:
I never said it was off theme but it would have made for a more unique image if you say, captured a clown twisting balloons. It would have just make it more of an actual tool being used, the clown twisting balloons in this case. See where I'm coming from?
The balloons are not a TOOL. The ballons are the resources that are made into a product. A tool is a mechanism used ON a resource. Saying the ballons are the tool is like saying the lumber, or the finished house, are the tools of a carpenter.
ziggyx2003 [banned] says:
contest description: In this photography contest your goal is to enter shots of a tool and the trade it is being used on. It must be on the job! For example, you could photograph a hammer in use by a carpenter, a mason's trowel being used to spread mud on a wall by a brick layer, a mechanic using a wrench on an engine or even a technical support operator with his headset.
author says:
ziggy, I'm not sure what you are trying to say with that. Are you saying that my entry is on or off topic? Thanks! :P
And I'm sorry some of you feel this entry is off, but a mod has already declared it as on-topic. "Tools of the trade" is a common phrase that does not necessarily mean a "tool." I have in fact heard things such as lumber, paint, and the like be referenced as "tools of the trade." Regardless, I'm deeply sorry that some of you take offense to the entry. I will have to try harder next time! :P
I recently had a conversation with one of you about mini mods calling stuff off topic and how that is a violation of rule 3.7
we both agreed not to do this. You know who you are and to directly quote you:
"From here on in BOTH OF US will abide by the commenting rules, and if one of us breaks those rules the other is entitled to slap the rulebreaker silly.
Consider yourself slapped silly.
Moderator says:
ziggyx2003........if you have a problem with an entry, you use the red flag system, you do not start an argument here.......!
No, hands aren't tools. see comments under theme. Not all jobs use tools... such as this one, for example
ziggyx2003 [banned] says:
@ Locksmagic: did the words off theme cross my lips, not they did not, i merely quoted the contest description.
@ Moderator: did I START this argument NO, did I use the red flag system, YES.
but hey its all good, happy to wear it.
jawshoewhah [banned] says:
I really don't know why you argue this so much, Kyricom. It's perfectly on theme. When he uses the balloons for entertainment purposes, then they become tools. A balloon twister is an entertainer is a tradesman in the entertainment industry. From makeup and wardrobe to prosthetics and props, (like colored balloons) it is a tool of the trade. I never specified it had to only be construction, hence the reason I specified tech support operator with their headset. This is on theme. The balloons are the tools of the trade. So forget arguing over it and just once try to be more open minded, because you really discredit way too many at times. Personally I think you discredit far more than you congratulate.
author says:
Woah woah woah everyone! I really appreciate all the attention this is getting but I hate to be the cause of so much arguing. Do I think the picture is on theme? Yes. The balloons are a tool I use when I do magic shows to entertain children (and sometimes adults). But I also recognize that not everyone may share my opinion. That is FINE. I welcome free-thinking! All I ask is that we keep our heads level and our eyes clear. Besides, in the end...they're just balloons! :P Nothing to get all up in a huff about.
So I decided to google "tools of a clown", and the first article that came up was written by a very famous clown named Bruce "Charlie" Johnson, here are the first couple sentences of that article:
"Balloon sculpture, juggling, and magic are to clowns what hammers, saws, and screwdrivers are to carpenters. They are only the tools used to create something else."
Just some food for thought.
Moderator says:
there are no red flags from you ziggy!
ziggyx2003 [banned] says:
I flagged this saturday morning my time, I am not allowed to say something is off theme, so I flag. If you don't have a flag, then it is a problem at your end, not mine. I stated with the flag that there was no person practising the trade.
Adein is that you hiding behind the mod name. Is it really up to mods to tell everyone whats on topic? Its off topic because"It must be on the job!" "A tool must be the focus and it has to be obvious that it's being used on the job it was designed for"
Its neither one of those SO the mod is throwing around his personal bias opinion and telling us like children we dont know better.
wow... 24 comments (with mine) and growing... Gotta love the attention. My 2 cents is that he made the balloon animals (product)using his hands (tools) so it's on theme. Just because I don't see him giving them to kids in the pic doesn't mean he can't still give them. No different than a carpenter, stone worker, or welder making a product with no customer in the pic. He is holding one of them, so to me he is "working"
Holding is not making one of them. Wheres the process? It must be shown on the job where is that being shown? Its a composed shot in a studio not on the job.
Mekun I'm not ignoring anything, the argument was whether or not balloons or hands can be considered tools, so that is what I commented on, AND I'm not the only person to have commented on the subject so why are you singling me out?
And another thing, if you have an issue with a mod take it up with them through the proper channels, don't hijack a persons entry to vent your frustrations. To answer your question yes it is up to the mods to say whats on topic, that's why they're the mods, we may not always agree with their decisions but when it comes down to it what they say goes. Since your in the questioning mood though maybe you should ask yourself if it's your place to say whether a person's entry is off topic or not (check commenting rules 3.4 and 3.7 if your not sure)
LOL like you have any right to tell me anything. Ya ill point out when i think the mod is bias dont like that? To bad. You worry about yourself ill take care of me.
O and when did it become your job to have discussion about rules to anyone. "I recently had a conversation with one of you about mini mods calling stuff off topic and how that is a violation of rule 3.7"
@Mekun what I said to ziggy was was a result of a conversation she and I had where we both agreed to call each other out on this subject, if I misinterpreted her than I was wrong. The only reason I said anything to you was because you directed a comment at me.
What good did your comments serve? You simply repeated what other people have already said, hurled insults at a mod, and for some unknown reason brought me into your tirade.
The subject has been beaten to death, obviously it's going to be allowed to stay so vote it low and move on. How would you feel if you spent time thinking about, setting up, taking, editing, and posting a shot only to have people attack it, it's not like the Author tried to get around the rules, he felt that this was a good take on the theme and decided to shoot it. Maybe your right and it isn't on theme, but that's why we have the red flag system.
Now if the mod IS in fact Ade than your calling him bias is more than laughable, Ade would probably pull his own mother's entry if he felt it was off topic
@ Everyone else. The arguments for both sides have been made, this has gotten completely out of hand now I propose that out of respect to the Author we keep any further comments about this being on topic or not to ourselves.
You want to read ade's private threats to me? Please get off your high horse. How did your definition serve anyone? It didnt that was my point.But you missed the point about the rest of the guidelines for the contest. Convenient. But now we can move on because you said so.
wow... gone for two days and the world implodes. The mod has obviously looked at it. It looks as though they don't agree with me. I'll live (although hands are DEFINITELY not tools ). Vote and move on. All this personal stuff should either be handled backchannel, or in the forum - but not on some innocent third party's entry.
author says:
Who knew balloons could cause so much pain...
lol seriously everyone, lets try to keep level heads. Some people think its off theme; others think its on theme. I respectfully request that everyone keep their comments constructive and please...PLEASE try not to argue. As I stated before, I hate being the cause of argumentation. My intent with this entry was not to upset anyone; I was simply taking a shot of myself working with a tool of my trade. Nothing more. So lets all take a chill pill so the world can be bright and groovy. :P
This shot has been deemed to be 'on topic' by a mod, so let's just look at it in an artistic and technical way, the way we should look at it, and vote on it.........not so difficult is it!!
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Somehow, even with the changes in technology, some things remain as simple as they started. basic tools of the waitress trade...guest checks and a pen. ;) (5 years and 3393 days ago)
Absolutely beautiful, you guys must be union though, 2 guys standing around while one does all the work
LOL!!!! uh.... um.... The other FF was the safety officer... and I was .... uh... documenting... yea.. thats it.
no ear protection? Those saws are so loud. Great shot.
LOL.. you got me there... so much for the safety officer idea.
nice..nice...he really did obeyed his captain.
How did you get so lucky to be close enough to get the shot? Just out the car window or were you on the job?
OK, I voted. You were definitely working
Thanks Josh.... I was definately on the job!
Wow, love this one. There is so much to look at, hope everyone is ok.
Grats!
Congrats =)
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